The "mess" that is being foisted upon us is actually a planned destruction of the private health industry.
Who actually believes that a half-BILLION dollars was spent on a website? The majority of that money was pilfered, and the Obamacare website was prolly developed by some teenager who got $500.00 to do it, and you see the results. It's failure was the planned-for result... said failure will lead to the outrage of the people, who will call for "something to be done".
That something will be government-rationed health-care, which will change everything about our system, and will result in the eventual death of those who are seen as "useless eaters".
If anyone is still fool enough to believe that the pResident has the best interests of this nation at heart, you deserve what you will receive. If you aren't even marginally "productive" you will be on the "sub-bronze" level of care:
What's that? Oh, your colo-rectal cancer was caught nice and early? Don't worry, we will get you in for your surgery in 15 months or so... (This particular cancer is almost 100% curable when caught early, and delays of up to a year alter your survival rate from 98% to .98%.
Not sure what exactly the desired end result is, but we will be either socialist, communist, or fascist, unless patriots move to fix the problem...
If you have the audacity to call yourself a Christian, you have a duty to stand up against tyrrany. In November, your LAST hope of relief means that EVERY one of you needs to show at the polls, and vote for nobody who isn't part of the "Jesus Christ" party. If you continue to follow party-lines because it's what you have always done, the suffering of your children and grandchildren will be on your own heads... NOT something I want to answer for!
Given the track record the government has in running, financing, and controlling any major program and more than 30% would still vote for turning over ALL our healthcare to them is astonishing. What, prey tell, makes you "yes" voters think single payer, with it's stellar track record in other countries, is going to succeed under this convoluted, behemoth of a system?
Single-payer is government-run socialized medicine. Everything is rationed, based on some mysterious "accounting" of bureaucrats in Washington. Their determinations will effect how long you have to wait for care, whether or not you are "worth" receiving that expensive chemo treatment, surgery, etc.
In reality, the majority of "care" for the elderly, disabled, and infirm is palliative treatment. (Pain relief and nursing care to "ease your passing"...)
Single payer? No... You really DON'T want it!
Fear not, though, the political pundits and media talking heads will tell you over and over again that it is the best option at this point, and they will continue to push this dialog at the low-information voters in order to stack the deck with people who will vote for whomever promises to keep taking money from us taxpayers in order to give "free stuff" to said low-info voters... They don't realize that they are being used as "useful idiots" in order to push us toward socialism, and that once they get what they have been told they want, the realization will come that they are doomed to the worst that "progressive movement" can give: Poverty, squalor, and death...
Enjoy what you have asked for in your ignorance...
A little more about the Obamacare website. I'd say "pilfered" is a good word, John. Remember in the crony world of government, it's not about what you know, it how much you paid to play.
And single payer healthcare absolves all individuals from taking responsibility for their own actions. Smoke 10 packs of cigarettes a day and get free healthcare. Drink until you're in a coma and receive free healthcare. Jump out of a tree and break your legs and receive free healthcare. Do whatever you want and someone else pays for the consequences. Brilliant!
Seems like many are allready on single payer..Those below the proverty line have government paid healthcare,the elderly have government health care,the people in prison have government health care,those in the armed sevices have govenment healthcare.With this new obamacare many will be subidized by the government to pay for their healthcare..Anyone who is employed by government(local,state,school) has healthcare paid by the taxpayer .Sounds like one way or another we allready have single payer..
Having heathcare does not make one healthier..It is many times your personal decisions that dictate how healthy you will be..
...and what fool thinks that there is no rationing now?!?
Prior to the ACA being passed, most insurance policies were literally rationed with a lifetime limit of $1,000,000 paid out. Now, there are no lifetime limits.
I had a darn fine policy a few years ago, when some Blue Cross bureaucrat decided that certain tests would no longer be covered...rationing across-the-board what tests the insured could get done - at least without paying for it themselves. (Either MRIs or CAT scans were dropped.). So when my vision went screwy and an eye specialist sent me for imaging, it was $1,200 out of my pocket.
So when teabaggers decry "rationing", they are either decrying through ignorance of the current system, or are being disingenuous to scare the ignorant. (The ignorance behind "death panels" will be, for the most part, ignored)
Tim, I wholeheartedly disagree with your viewpoint and at the same time thank you for posting it.
It seems to have become the norm on these polls that those with a liberal/progressive outlook vote their opinion, vote thumbs down on conservative commentators, and fail to state why they think the way they do (except one particular progressive that rambles on so long nobody pays attention).
Do REALLY think this debacle called obamacare would have improved your medical experience? Not a chance! Our current system certainly needs improvement (stiffer competition by interstate availability would be a start) What we are heading into now is much, much worse than the status quo.
I reserve the right to say "I told you so" a few years down the road.
You can present a man with facts, but you can't make them willing or able to think... (Tends to happen when a person lives based upon emotion as opposed to intellect...)
At least you had a choice to pay out of your own pocket. It's not clear to me if there were a single payer system (read: Government run health care) in place that that choice would be available, but I tend to think not.
I have an associate whose child had a life altering condition the insurance industry deemed treatment for was experimental, therefore wouldn't ante up. Being a parent willing to do anything possible to improve the life of his child, he reached into his own pockets to the tune of 10's of thousands of dollars seeking and finding treatment to cure or control the condition, and was successful in doing so. His child is now living a normal life no thanks to decisions made by others based solely on profit.
Taking away the ability to make such a choice would be taking away the very freedom our Nation was founded upon.
Bob - you are absolutely correct...my experience would not have been any different. Thank you for supporting my point, that the "rationing" folks are fearing existed pre-ACA, controlled by a faceless bureaucrat worried about his/her bonus rather than some faceless government bureaucrat.
Tim, you have to stay on top of the old debunked talking points concerning Obamacare. The "death panels" concept turned out to be correct with even Howard Dean and Paul Krugman begrudgingly admitting Palin was in essence accurate. Remember, we had to pass it to see what was in it, and each day a new (or previously predicted) surprise awaits us.
Who is this mythical "single
Who is this mythical "single payer" everybody talks about?
Canadian style, not British
Canadian style, not British style.
Thomas, the single-payer
Thomas, the single-payer would be the Government.
I do not. I will however
I do not. I will however concede that it would be better than the mess being forced on us currently.
Lesser of 2 evils
The "mess" that is being
The "mess" that is being foisted upon us is actually a planned destruction of the private health industry.
Who actually believes that a half-BILLION dollars was spent on a website? The majority of that money was pilfered, and the Obamacare website was prolly developed by some teenager who got $500.00 to do it, and you see the results. It's failure was the planned-for result... said failure will lead to the outrage of the people, who will call for "something to be done".
That something will be government-rationed health-care, which will change everything about our system, and will result in the eventual death of those who are seen as "useless eaters".
If anyone is still fool enough to believe that the pResident has the best interests of this nation at heart, you deserve what you will receive. If you aren't even marginally "productive" you will be on the "sub-bronze" level of care:
What's that? Oh, your colo-rectal cancer was caught nice and early? Don't worry, we will get you in for your surgery in 15 months or so... (This particular cancer is almost 100% curable when caught early, and delays of up to a year alter your survival rate from 98% to .98%.
Not sure what exactly the desired end result is, but we will be either socialist, communist, or fascist, unless patriots move to fix the problem...
If you have the audacity to call yourself a Christian, you have a duty to stand up against tyrrany. In November, your LAST hope of relief means that EVERY one of you needs to show at the polls, and vote for nobody who isn't part of the "Jesus Christ" party. If you continue to follow party-lines because it's what you have always done, the suffering of your children and grandchildren will be on your own heads... NOT something I want to answer for!
Ray the single payer would be
Ray the single payer would be the TAX PAYER,
Given the track record the
Given the track record the government has in running, financing, and controlling any major program and more than 30% would still vote for turning over ALL our healthcare to them is astonishing. What, prey tell, makes you "yes" voters think single payer, with it's stellar track record in other countries, is going to succeed under this convoluted, behemoth of a system?
ok, what is single payer
ok, what is single payer health care ? and what other options are there?
Single payer is government
Single payer is government pays for everything via tax dollars, basically Medicare for everyone, no private insurance at all.
Single-payer is
Single-payer is government-run socialized medicine. Everything is rationed, based on some mysterious "accounting" of bureaucrats in Washington. Their determinations will effect how long you have to wait for care, whether or not you are "worth" receiving that expensive chemo treatment, surgery, etc.
In reality, the majority of "care" for the elderly, disabled, and infirm is palliative treatment. (Pain relief and nursing care to "ease your passing"...)
Single payer? No... You really DON'T want it!
Fear not, though, the political pundits and media talking heads will tell you over and over again that it is the best option at this point, and they will continue to push this dialog at the low-information voters in order to stack the deck with people who will vote for whomever promises to keep taking money from us taxpayers in order to give "free stuff" to said low-info voters... They don't realize that they are being used as "useful idiots" in order to push us toward socialism, and that once they get what they have been told they want, the realization will come that they are doomed to the worst that "progressive movement" can give: Poverty, squalor, and death...
Enjoy what you have asked for in your ignorance...
A little more about the
A little more about the Obamacare website. I'd say "pilfered" is a good word, John. Remember in the crony world of government, it's not about what you know, it how much you paid to play.
http://nypost.com/2013/11/01/obama-donors-firm-hired-to-fix-web-mess-it…
And single payer healthcare
And single payer healthcare absolves all individuals from taking responsibility for their own actions. Smoke 10 packs of cigarettes a day and get free healthcare. Drink until you're in a coma and receive free healthcare. Jump out of a tree and break your legs and receive free healthcare. Do whatever you want and someone else pays for the consequences. Brilliant!
Seems like many are allready
Seems like many are allready on single payer..Those below the proverty line have government paid healthcare,the elderly have government health care,the people in prison have government health care,those in the armed sevices have govenment healthcare.With this new obamacare many will be subidized by the government to pay for their healthcare..Anyone who is employed by government(local,state,school) has healthcare paid by the taxpayer .Sounds like one way or another we allready have single payer..
Having heathcare does not make one healthier..It is many times your personal decisions that dictate how healthy you will be..
...and what fool thinks that
...and what fool thinks that there is no rationing now?!?
Prior to the ACA being passed, most insurance policies were literally rationed with a lifetime limit of $1,000,000 paid out. Now, there are no lifetime limits.
I had a darn fine policy a few years ago, when some Blue Cross bureaucrat decided that certain tests would no longer be covered...rationing across-the-board what tests the insured could get done - at least without paying for it themselves. (Either MRIs or CAT scans were dropped.). So when my vision went screwy and an eye specialist sent me for imaging, it was $1,200 out of my pocket.
So when teabaggers decry "rationing", they are either decrying through ignorance of the current system, or are being disingenuous to scare the ignorant. (The ignorance behind "death panels" will be, for the most part, ignored)
Tim, I wholeheartedly
Tim, I wholeheartedly disagree with your viewpoint and at the same time thank you for posting it.
It seems to have become the norm on these polls that those with a liberal/progressive outlook vote their opinion, vote thumbs down on conservative commentators, and fail to state why they think the way they do (except one particular progressive that rambles on so long nobody pays attention).
Do REALLY think this debacle called obamacare would have improved your medical experience? Not a chance! Our current system certainly needs improvement (stiffer competition by interstate availability would be a start) What we are heading into now is much, much worse than the status quo.
I reserve the right to say "I told you so" a few years down the road.
You can present a man with
You can present a man with facts, but you can't make them willing or able to think... (Tends to happen when a person lives based upon emotion as opposed to intellect...)
Tim, At least you had a
Tim,
At least you had a choice to pay out of your own pocket. It's not clear to me if there were a single payer system (read: Government run health care) in place that that choice would be available, but I tend to think not.
I have an associate whose child had a life altering condition the insurance industry deemed treatment for was experimental, therefore wouldn't ante up. Being a parent willing to do anything possible to improve the life of his child, he reached into his own pockets to the tune of 10's of thousands of dollars seeking and finding treatment to cure or control the condition, and was successful in doing so. His child is now living a normal life no thanks to decisions made by others based solely on profit.
Taking away the ability to make such a choice would be taking away the very freedom our Nation was founded upon.
Bob - you are absolutely
Bob - you are absolutely correct...my experience would not have been any different. Thank you for supporting my point, that the "rationing" folks are fearing existed pre-ACA, controlled by a faceless bureaucrat worried about his/her bonus rather than some faceless government bureaucrat.
Tim, you have to stay on top
Tim, you have to stay on top of the old debunked talking points concerning Obamacare. The "death panels" concept turned out to be correct with even Howard Dean and Paul Krugman begrudgingly admitting Palin was in essence accurate. Remember, we had to pass it to see what was in it, and each day a new (or previously predicted) surprise awaits us.
Well Said John
Well Said John