Why ethanol? About 70 percent more energy is needed to produce ethanol than is realized. It takes 11 acres of land to power a car for 1 year. That same land could feed seven people for a year. <a href="http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm">Source</a>
Sorry to get off the subject but:
Not to mention the ECOLOGICAL ASSULT liquid cow manure is causing. It is poluting the earths natural water table, eating a hole in the ozone, and filling our trout streams, lakes and oceans with nitrates. Killing vegitation, habitat for wildlife, and filling the air with bacteria.
My parents were sick for a year until they had their water tested. They were sick from ECOLI, from liquid cow crap from the farm up the hill. They had to pay for a new well to be drilled, and also are lucky they recovered.
The dairy farms need to be held accountable for this, and need to find a different way to spread manure. The lagoons that hold the manure are all over too.
Its like spraying the contents of your toilet into the air and all over the fields.
You do realize there are bacteria that eat nitrates right? You make it sound like the entire dairy industry should be ended.
Cow crap as you put is part of this silly "Organic" movement. I am for better living through chemistry and would use some commercial fertilizer if I had a farm. But dairy farms are struggling and should sell every last bit of cow product they can.
I'd be willing to pay more for my food..currently the cost of production is subsized by all tax payers. Reducing the amount of food you buy as a means of reducing budgeted expenses doesn't keep you (as a tax payer) from paying for all others buying U.S. grown meat and produce. I do not like subsizing others food costs.
Ethonal as it currently is done is a generation 1 attempt.
The principal is new and will improve as time goes by.
IGF-1 is a normal part of all milk, designed to promote growth in newborns. How much is healthy for adults?
Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES the concentration of milk ingredients used to produce it. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times.
Posilac is a chemical produced by Monsanto to stimulate increased milk production in cows. Posilac (rbGH) creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. A finding that seems to contravert newborn use of growth factors. In an independent study, participants consuming 24 ounces vs. 12 ounces of milk per day had a 10% increase in blood serum IGF-1.
I haven't been able to find yet in Genesee County -- and if there is one, I'd like to know about it -- a place to get locally produced milk as good as the Pittsford Dairy. Pittsford buys milk from dairy farms all over WNY and then pasteurizing themselves to their own specifications. If you search YouTube for Pittsford Dairy you should find a video I did about them a year ago or so. I think the only real thing I'll miss about moving from Pittsford to Batavia is that milk purchased in glass bottles.
Howard, if u live here for a while you will get some of the same milk that pittsford probably buys. Not every cow is raised dirty. I used to know where to get unpasturized real whole milk and the head of cream was so thick u had to shake it up before you pour. Besides many farmers are way healthier than ur average Joe type ! I just cant seem to dis anything from a milk teet ? I love to eat meat but i limit that too. (the price helps).
If you have never been to the KUTTERS cheese factory then you dont know dairy here, I say take a visit on rt 5. Great stuff. Very famous but never mentioned ? I recommend the cottage cheese !
C.M, I couldn't have said it better. There is no disputing the facts. The liquid manure issue is what needs to be addressed asap. The farming fields aren't even dirt anymore, just manure. Though farmers, are by law, suppose to plow it under within 24 hours, seldom do. It sits there, and then when it rains, sorry wells,
streams, lakes, oceans, fish, earth....
Unless you have lived around it all your life, can wouldnt understand the seriousness of this, and only if your family has been physically affected by liquid manure can you support the practice of spraying it.
Milk is not what it used to be either.
Does anyone realize what human consumption has done to the innocent animals, victims to our hunger? They are fed all kinds of growth hormones, kept in small cages, until they are put to death, just for you and me. We all need to try harder to sustain the earth, and take care of her. There is no excuse, that mankind can use to dismiss all this. The earth has a fever, and we're the reason.
Inre the contaminated peanuts, they were contaminated with Salmonella, as a result of a leaky roof at a processing plant. It was not e Coli bacteria.
For all the fussing going on about cows and milk, you don't want to know about the potential e Coli bacterial contamination from human waste on fresh fruits and vegetables no one gives a second thought to. You can't sanitize lettuce.
Gabor Eat all you want, I was just saying we could do better, as humans to make things cleaner, healthier, and more humane for the living creatures. Also preserving our waters, and plant life, we have been blessed with. Humans have got to do their part to help mother earth. We can't afford not to..With that I think , it would be in our best interest to help the farmers of america find better ways of farming. I also realize how costly gas and diesel is for the farmers.
I think we should help them with $$, but with stipulations, and farming reform programs.
Not eating is NOT the solution. We need to choose what we eat wisely. We also need to insist on higher standards.
Demand enforcement of pure food laws, federal meat inspection and regulation. The industry has managed to convince law makers (by bribery) to deregulate. Soon after the meat packers were granted self-inspection, mass incidences of tainted meat recalls began. Instead of reinstating federal inspection, the industry was allowed to irradiate meat. ...The equivalent of spray painting over rust spots on a car. Never mind that the meat is tainted by excrement and undigested stomach contents- just irradiate it to kill pathogens.
When food advocates ask for more strigent laws to control food additives such as Bovine Growth hormones, chemical preservatives, antibiotics and genetically engineered species- don't let the FDA side with the big-money lobbyists. Contact your representative and demand pure food.
As to fat consumption- we know it's bad for us. Cut down. The market will regulate over-production. Instead of buying the jumbo, family-size package; buy what you will consume in one meal. Believe it or not, this kind of buying will eventually result in lower prices.
If there is an organic version- buy that. Regardless of the health benefits, it sends a message to the industry that consumers will not tolerate unhealthy practices. Instead of buying from the supermarket- buy from the farmer or farmers' market.
We have the power to control our fate by choice. It may require effort, but it's the healthy option. We don't have to let marketing experts decide what we put in our bodies. Maybe the best advice is to stop watching television commercials.
On a final note: we should buy our food from the farmer instead of the market. Farmer and consumer will benefit. If you open your eyes, you can locate a bounty of farmers who sell eggs, fruit, vegetables, honey, maple syrup, and other commodities, directly. If more of us made that choice, farmers would sell other items as well. The Sheard Dairy in Stone Church used to sell it's own milk in the Bergen area. There are still local bakeries that have bread and pastry. It's all a matter of thinking Main Street.
And we haven't even touched on high fructose corn syrup. The profiteers are ADM, Cargill and a few other huge agri corporations. Read any label of almost every processed food -- this stuff is in everything. It is making us fat and probably a main cause of the rise in diabetes.
from the Cato Institute (who I often don't agree with):
<i> The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers. Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM’s annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM’s corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30. </i>
My hope would be that the government subsidizes more of the healthy whole food crops that promote a local and sustainable farm to table lifestyle.
edit -- my post was being written apparently at the same time as C.M.s I am in total agreement,obviously. We should always be promoting local. Food is best whole and picked in the morning and eaten :). the same day. In fact we are enjoying the asparagus and rhubarb that is just now coming on in my back yard garden and waiting for the leaf lettuce to come up in my flower boxes on my deck.
Once the various farm stands/markets open, I would like to put together a list (maybe even map) of all of them. If anybody would like to to help ... that would help.
You can think dairy farms are horrible all you want. Nothing is better than a nice slice of Prime Rib with a slab of garlic butter and a baked potato slathered in sour cream.
I prefer pork ribs barbecued with mango/rhubarb chutney, BLTs with lots of mayo, cherry pie made with a lard crust, collard greens boiled with ham hocks, vanilla ice cream draped in fudge sauce, oxtail stew...
I'm not advocating for fat-free diet. I'm questioning the quality of the ingredients.
Your prime rib and sour cream should not be seasoned with rbGH, antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, bacteria and excrement.
Subsidies for corn for
Subsidies for corn for ethanol, yes. Others I don't know enough about. What we should do is stop giving food away to other countries.
Why ethanol? About 70 percent
Why ethanol? About 70 percent more energy is needed to produce ethanol than is realized. It takes 11 acres of land to power a car for 1 year. That same land could feed seven people for a year. <a href="http://healthandenergy.com/ethanol.htm">Source</a>
Sorry to get off the subject
Sorry to get off the subject but:
Not to mention the ECOLOGICAL ASSULT liquid cow manure is causing. It is poluting the earths natural water table, eating a hole in the ozone, and filling our trout streams, lakes and oceans with nitrates. Killing vegitation, habitat for wildlife, and filling the air with bacteria.
My parents were sick for a year until they had their water tested. They were sick from ECOLI, from liquid cow crap from the farm up the hill. They had to pay for a new well to be drilled, and also are lucky they recovered.
The dairy farms need to be held accountable for this, and need to find a different way to spread manure. The lagoons that hold the manure are all over too.
Its like spraying the contents of your toilet into the air and all over the fields.
I was saying yes they should
I was saying yes they should be cut.
You do realize there are
You do realize there are bacteria that eat nitrates right? You make it sound like the entire dairy industry should be ended.
Cow crap as you put is part of this silly "Organic" movement. I am for better living through chemistry and would use some commercial fertilizer if I had a farm. But dairy farms are struggling and should sell every last bit of cow product they can.
I'd be willing to pay more
I'd be willing to pay more for my food..currently the cost of production is subsized by all tax payers. Reducing the amount of food you buy as a means of reducing budgeted expenses doesn't keep you (as a tax payer) from paying for all others buying U.S. grown meat and produce. I do not like subsizing others food costs.
Ethonal as it currently is done is a generation 1 attempt.
The principal is new and will improve as time goes by.
IGF-1 is a normal part of all
IGF-1 is a normal part of all milk, designed to promote growth in newborns. How much is healthy for adults?
Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES the concentration of milk ingredients used to produce it. Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21 times.
Posilac is a chemical produced by Monsanto to stimulate increased milk production in cows. Posilac (rbGH) creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed in the stomach. A finding that seems to contravert newborn use of growth factors. In an independent study, participants consuming 24 ounces vs. 12 ounces of milk per day had a 10% increase in blood serum IGF-1.
Holy Cow! I'm glad I don't
Holy Cow! I'm glad I don't like milk.
More like "dirty" cow ! You
More like "dirty" cow ! You ingest milk everyday in most processed foods !
C.M. can hate milk if he
C.M. can hate milk if he wants. I still can't hardly think of anything better than a large ice cold glass of milk and a warm batch of Tollhouse.
I don't hate milk. I hate
I don't hate milk. I hate how an industry has transformed food to a commodity, mislead us about the health implications and profited from doing so.
I haven't been able to find
I haven't been able to find yet in Genesee County -- and if there is one, I'd like to know about it -- a place to get locally produced milk as good as the Pittsford Dairy. Pittsford buys milk from dairy farms all over WNY and then pasteurizing themselves to their own specifications. If you search YouTube for Pittsford Dairy you should find a video I did about them a year ago or so. I think the only real thing I'll miss about moving from Pittsford to Batavia is that milk purchased in glass bottles.
Howard, if u live here for a
Howard, if u live here for a while you will get some of the same milk that pittsford probably buys. Not every cow is raised dirty. I used to know where to get unpasturized real whole milk and the head of cream was so thick u had to shake it up before you pour. Besides many farmers are way healthier than ur average Joe type ! I just cant seem to dis anything from a milk teet ? I love to eat meat but i limit that too. (the price helps).
If you have never been to the
If you have never been to the KUTTERS cheese factory then you dont know dairy here, I say take a visit on rt 5. Great stuff. Very famous but never mentioned ? I recommend the cottage cheese !
C.M, I couldn't have said it
C.M, I couldn't have said it better. There is no disputing the facts. The liquid manure issue is what needs to be addressed asap. The farming fields aren't even dirt anymore, just manure. Though farmers, are by law, suppose to plow it under within 24 hours, seldom do. It sits there, and then when it rains, sorry wells,
streams, lakes, oceans, fish, earth....
Unless you have lived around it all your life, can wouldnt understand the seriousness of this, and only if your family has been physically affected by liquid manure can you support the practice of spraying it.
Milk is not what it used to be either.
Does anyone realize what human consumption has done to the innocent animals, victims to our hunger? They are fed all kinds of growth hormones, kept in small cages, until they are put to death, just for you and me. We all need to try harder to sustain the earth, and take care of her. There is no excuse, that mankind can use to dismiss all this. The earth has a fever, and we're the reason.
Then what are we supposed to
Then what are we supposed to eat ?
Inre the contaminated
Inre the contaminated peanuts, they were contaminated with Salmonella, as a result of a leaky roof at a processing plant. It was not e Coli bacteria.
For all the fussing going on about cows and milk, you don't want to know about the potential e Coli bacterial contamination from human waste on fresh fruits and vegetables no one gives a second thought to. You can't sanitize lettuce.
Gabor Eat all you want, I was
Gabor Eat all you want, I was just saying we could do better, as humans to make things cleaner, healthier, and more humane for the living creatures. Also preserving our waters, and plant life, we have been blessed with. Humans have got to do their part to help mother earth. We can't afford not to..With that I think , it would be in our best interest to help the farmers of america find better ways of farming. I also realize how costly gas and diesel is for the farmers.
I think we should help them with $$, but with stipulations, and farming reform programs.
Not eating is NOT the
Not eating is NOT the solution. We need to choose what we eat wisely. We also need to insist on higher standards.
Demand enforcement of pure food laws, federal meat inspection and regulation. The industry has managed to convince law makers (by bribery) to deregulate. Soon after the meat packers were granted self-inspection, mass incidences of tainted meat recalls began. Instead of reinstating federal inspection, the industry was allowed to irradiate meat. ...The equivalent of spray painting over rust spots on a car. Never mind that the meat is tainted by excrement and undigested stomach contents- just irradiate it to kill pathogens.
When food advocates ask for more strigent laws to control food additives such as Bovine Growth hormones, chemical preservatives, antibiotics and genetically engineered species- don't let the FDA side with the big-money lobbyists. Contact your representative and demand pure food.
As to fat consumption- we know it's bad for us. Cut down. The market will regulate over-production. Instead of buying the jumbo, family-size package; buy what you will consume in one meal. Believe it or not, this kind of buying will eventually result in lower prices.
If there is an organic version- buy that. Regardless of the health benefits, it sends a message to the industry that consumers will not tolerate unhealthy practices. Instead of buying from the supermarket- buy from the farmer or farmers' market.
We have the power to control our fate by choice. It may require effort, but it's the healthy option. We don't have to let marketing experts decide what we put in our bodies. Maybe the best advice is to stop watching television commercials.
On a final note: we should buy our food from the farmer instead of the market. Farmer and consumer will benefit. If you open your eyes, you can locate a bounty of farmers who sell eggs, fruit, vegetables, honey, maple syrup, and other commodities, directly. If more of us made that choice, farmers would sell other items as well. The Sheard Dairy in Stone Church used to sell it's own milk in the Bergen area. There are still local bakeries that have bread and pastry. It's all a matter of thinking Main Street.
And we haven't even touched
And we haven't even touched on high fructose corn syrup. The profiteers are ADM, Cargill and a few other huge agri corporations. Read any label of almost every processed food -- this stuff is in everything. It is making us fat and probably a main cause of the rise in diabetes.
http://obrag.org/?p=3292
from the Cato Institute (who I often don't agree with):
<i> The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers. Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM’s annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM’s corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30. </i>
My hope would be that the government subsidizes more of the healthy whole food crops that promote a local and sustainable farm to table lifestyle.
edit -- my post was being written apparently at the same time as C.M.s I am in total agreement,obviously. We should always be promoting local. Food is best whole and picked in the morning and eaten :). the same day. In fact we are enjoying the asparagus and rhubarb that is just now coming on in my back yard garden and waiting for the leaf lettuce to come up in my flower boxes on my deck.
Once the various farm
Once the various farm stands/markets open, I would like to put together a list (maybe even map) of all of them. If anybody would like to to help ... that would help.
Hey Howard, I won Best of
Hey Howard, I won Best of Show for my Strawberry Rhubarb Lattice Top Pie. MmmmmMmmm Good. Its the season to enjoy the earths gifts.
You can think dairy farms are
You can think dairy farms are horrible all you want. Nothing is better than a nice slice of Prime Rib with a slab of garlic butter and a baked potato slathered in sour cream.
I prefer pork ribs barbecued
I prefer pork ribs barbecued with mango/rhubarb chutney, BLTs with lots of mayo, cherry pie made with a lard crust, collard greens boiled with ham hocks, vanilla ice cream draped in fudge sauce, oxtail stew...
I'm not advocating for fat-free diet. I'm questioning the quality of the ingredients.
Your prime rib and sour cream should not be seasoned with rbGH, antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, bacteria and excrement.
My motto is better living
My motto is better living through Chemistry.
When the average life expectancy in this country stops going up, then I think about worrying about the food.