Accident on Route 63 causes serious injury to driver of one vehicle

Thanks for your coverage of the accident on Rt 63. Safety along this route from Batavia to Geneseo has been a concern of mine & I find it amazing that no other news organization in Batavia, Rochester, or Buffalo covered this accident. I'm not a conspiracy type person but I do wonder why only The Batavian bothered to report this....

Are people purposely not letting the public know what goes on in this death corridor we call Rt 63?

No one else picked it up because, sadly, it's not new news, its the same ol same ol. Rt 63, or "the back way highway, aye" as the canadian truckers would say. (OK, try to imagine that quotation spoken by a canadian....ok, not it sounds humorous. On a serious note,I avoid that road like the plague, and my family and I pray that the guy hurt in this latest incident recovers fully. I avoid that road like the plague.

I used to live just west of dead-mans curb, and was one of the first on the scene for a horrific accident. It was about 15 years ago, but the only time Ive seen what a tractor-trailer can do to a car. The young man in the car was ejected, and laying in the weeds. I wont go into detail about his injuries, but he died on the scene.

They have since straightened this curb just west of deadmans curb, before you turn to go to county park. I dont think there has been an accident since. Its a terrible price to pay, just so the rigs can save money, using 63 as a short cut, as they use Batavia city streets{main and ellicott} for the same thing. Something needs to be done about this before some other family is destroyed. My husband and I also avoid 63 at all costs to protect our family from the rigs haulin ass.

I love how we demonize the people we need. First we demonize CEO's and Corporate leadership who provide the nation with jobs, products, and services. Now we demonize the people who make it possible to have those products at decent price in our towns.

Just because its a big truck doesn't mean it is inherently dangerous.

Life is unfair in outcome and it sucks, get a helmet and quit whining.

Karen - and your solution would be what exactly?

A tunnel perhaps?

How about bending the time/space continuum so that the goods go from sitting on the shipping dock at the manufacturing plant/distribution warehouse to the receiving dock at the sell point?

Why are you guys always so miserable?? Its like you wait to pounce, and argue. Be nice and openminded for once. Im not lookin for a fight, just trying to drink my coffee, and blogg.WTH take a frickin chill pill or something. This isnt a debate at city hall. Thank God I can still laugh, and be my happy self.

I am close minded because I have had a lot of time to think on issues and have made up my mind about most of them.

I'm not a miserable person I am very happy in my life and limited success so far.

Just because we come off forceful in our opinions doesn't mean we are mean spirited we are just passionate.

As am I Peter, but all the members of this site dont have to agree with you all of the time, and shouldnt be attacked because they dont. I will continue to be nice, and funloving dispite choking on my coffee. Dude, do you need a ride somewhere, or do you want to go to a Rock concert with us. Ill come and get you, and we will have a riot!! As for Andy, this is for you too. This site is for opinions from everyone. If you choose to be spiteful fine, but your nastiness wont affect my opinion. Just loosen up a little, and have some fun. Thats all. As for debates, Ill dance all nite, or as long as you have. I am relentless when I believe in something, and I seldom back down. Wanna Dance??

I'm not inclined to argue, I just don't understand the point of complaining about problems without also offering tangible solutions.

In this instance, trucks traveling North on Route 390 need to get to Route 90W. The most direct and cost effective path is getting off at Sonyea and heading towards Batavia, via Route 36 and Route 63.

Have I called you a name? What attack? This is where you discuss the topic and ask people questions and make comments to have others defend their thoughts.

It's not my fault if my passion is too much for you to handle and I don't expect people to agree with me but that's not going to stop me from trying to convince them I am right.

I am a hard nosed conservative. I don't apologize for my views or how I express them.

The people of this nation have been cowed by worrying about offending each other. I don't have that determent as part of my personality. If you are offended I don't care. That is your problem, not mine. I didn't make the decision to offend you, you did.

If I was to say gays should be rounded up an slaughtered (just a hypothetical I don't believe that nor do I want to get into a gay debate) and you were offended at that, its not my fault, you have the view that they are equal and be treated as such so your view not mine causes you to be offended.

Don't mistake my passion for politics as a personality flaw of being miserable, hate-filled, or some other thing that has been associated by the media with the right wing. Who I am on this news site is not who I am in person. I am actually very easy to get along with and have many liberal friends.

I mean insulting comments on peoples opinions Peter. You have a great day on here, and try to be openminded to others view. Ta-Ta or now. Howard would want us to end this nonscence.

Posted by Peter O'Brien on June 12, 2009 - 9:24am
.....Who I am on this news site is not who I am in person. I am actually very easy to get along with and have many liberal friends.

So this persona you have elected to use on TheBatavian isn't you? Interesting.
Knowing that will make it easier to ignore you in the future. Very little you will have to say is valid if it isn't coming from the real you.
You claim you have thought about things and you are determined that you are 'right'. No wiggle room for the possibility that there may be more than one side to an issue. Your way or no way.
Glad I had an opportunity to read this.
I, like Karen, read and blog over coffee in the morning.
I don't always agree with Karen and I'm sure she doesn't always agree with me, but we can be civil and understand that passion for a topic does not give us the right to denigrate others with a different view.
At least our views are honest...they are the same we hold among our friends...we aren't trying to be something else on-line.
You tipped your hand, Peter. I am so glad you did.
You can continue with your 'pretend' persona on line; that person can continue to accuse others of being communists, and worse, because they don't see eye to eye with your pretend on-line persona. I'm done with you.

Peter, while I too am a proponent of free enterprise and capitalism, I can tell you this could be addressed. We could ask the police agencies in those juristictions to make sure they have zero tolerance for speeding rigs. Period. The limit for a good chunk is 55, if you go 57..TICKET! There is a monumental difference between a mid size car travelling at 5 or 10 over the limit, and one of these massive vehicles. They do this because there are substantial hills between Mt. Morris and Batavia. I have personally witnessed one of Ontario's finest truckers doing at least 50 in a flashing school zone. I used to live in York for awhile, so I have seen the daily crush of trucks. If the speed were enforced in such a fashion, I think truckers would realize the cost difference is minimal, and stay on the interstates, which were designed to connect as many areas as possible and make commerce easier.
I think this is a better option than what my now out of state brother suggests. Make a law to ban trucks from Rt.63!! Are you kidding me? Another law to NOT enforce? He's a typical lib, but I love him anyway.
Think also the initial revenue speeding fines and surcharges would generate. JMO

Tipped my hand, my views are true to who I am, I just spout them off here much more often then in my personal life, thats the difference.

I feel cheated. I argue all the time but nobody invites me to a Rock Concert ! I think your all wrong ! lmao.

You can't say its ok for cars and not for rigs because that ruins the equality of law. If the speed limit is 55 it should be enforced equally among all users of the road.

Now I have seen across the country where trucks were limited to certain lanes or weight restrictions but I have never seen different speed limits.

My point was that just because its a big truck doesn't mean its evil. I drive a civic. I would get crushed by truck, but I don't think they should be limited to the shortest route to the interstate system, especially when the thruway has tolls.

Don't paint the entire trucking industry with the same brush. There are irresponsible truck drivers, and irresponsible drivers in cars. This is a fact that no legistlation will ever change.
There are answers, but they are costly.
1. A TOL, a truck only lane on the interstates would eliminate many problems. The initial costs to add a TOL would be on the shoulders of the tax payers. The tolls, one more hike for trucks, would be an extra burden for the trucking industry.
The TOL wouldn't address truck routes like #63. As much as we wish it weren't a truck route, it is.
The TOL wouldn't address those pulling recreational trailers and 5th wheelers, which can be equally dangerous.
2. The speed limit on #63 should be strictly enforced. Yes, that means resources dedicated only to monitor that highway. While expensive, it will save lives.

See, Bud, even a bleeding heart liberal can see options other than just taking the trucks off the road. They are the bloodline of our country's commerce. Without them our shelves would be empty.

Posted by Gabor Deutsch on June 12, 2009 - 9:58am
I feel cheated. I argue all the time but nobody invites me to a Rock Concert ! I think your all wrong ! lmao.

You wanna rock concert? lol

Back to Bea, when did I call anyone on here a communist?

There is no wiggle room when my opinions are generated from my values. I don't change my values for anyone. If there is something I am not educated on that's completely different.

My bet is you aren't done with me because you will feel obligated to say your opinion in opposition to mine.

Heck I will settle for some more PIZZA !

Peter is very opinionated, and will express his opinion almost all of the time. However, in "real life" he knows when it's appropriate to hold back, and on here he generally will state what he is thinking without regards to others' opinions.

He's not negative or grouchy. Most of my views are opposite of his, and we get along 89% of the time.

He is simply not afraid of stating his opinion, which I admire.

Posted by Chelsea Dobson on June 12, 2009 - 11:40am
Peter is very opinionated, and will express his opinion almost all of the time. However, in "real life" he knows when it's appropriate to hold back, and on here he generally will state what he is thinking without regards to others' opinions.

He's not negative or grouchy. Most of my views are opposite of his, and we get along 89% of the time.

He is simply not afraid of stating his opinion, which I admire.

Stating an opinion is a right we all have. The attempt to steam roll anyone who disagrees is not worthy of admiration. You may chose to live with that, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to be subject to his bullying.
Enjoy your life together.

So now, Bea, you're attacking me, by insulting my choices. I simply tried to explain the difference Peter stated between his "online" and "real life" persona.

I don't think he is a bully in anyway. He hasn't insulted anyone (that I have read), he doesn't call people on here names, he doesn't use curse words. How do you feel he's bullying you? Simply because his opinion is different than yours and he refuses to back down?

Do what I have done, accept that he has his and you have your own. Neither is right, nor is either wrong.

Not kowtowing is today's bullying. If you defend yourself in today's world you are too aggressive.

Posted by Chelsea Dobson on June 12, 2009 - 12:27pm
So now, Bea, you're attacking me, by insulting my choices. I simply tried to explain the difference Peter stated between his "online" and "real life" persona.

I don't think he is a bully in anyway. He hasn't insulted anyone (that I have read), he doesn't call people on here names, he doesn't use curse words. How do you feel he's bullying you? Simply because his opinion is different than yours and he refuses to back down?

Do what I have done, accept that he has his and you have your own. Neither is right, nor is either wrong.

No one is attacking you.
Chelsea (by the way, I love that name) you said, "Peter is very opinionated, and will express his opinion almost all of the time. However, in "real life" he knows when it's appropriate to hold back, and on here he generally will state what he is thinking without regards to others' opinions."

What makes those online less worthy of a modicum of respect than those with whom he speaks to in "real life"?

Bullying someone online is not appropriate behavior, even if he has convinced himself that it is. Is it appropriate, therefore, to express himself without regards to others if they are online? Is it because he can't see them?

I spent too many years dealing with bullys online. They are opinionated; disrespectful; and can be darn right nasty. If they truly believe that behavior will change the opinions of others, they are sadly mistaken.

Yes I am bullying because push the envelope and say what I mean. I am a bully for defending my views and pointing out the short comings of yours.

I am a bully because you can't take someone being so very much against your values and being so boisterous about it. I thought people of your generation had gritty determination. I was wrong. Instead of fighting back you took a lesson from the French and surrendered. Your values must mean little to you if a 27 year old gets to you so easily.

Wow....remind me to post something again...especially a compliment!!

Guys, we need to keep our eyes on the ball here. The issue isn't name calling, bashing other's opinions, or just plain disrespect. The issue is that human beings are being killed on Rt 63 at an alarming rate. That leads me to believe that something is inherently wrong with this road. I understand that we can't flatten all the hills or put tires along the sides of the road so we can play bumper cars....but something needs to be done. Four fatal accidents in a year were too much & DOT just shakes its head.

I really don't care who likes who in here or whatever personal issues you guys have with each other. I just would like to contribute to finding a solution to families, mothers, fathers, children, & grandparents bring killed on this road.

Personally, yes, I believe the trucks are a MAJOR player in these issues. I feel the should be banned from RT 63 & given a "no toll" from Henrietta to Batavia....or even to Pembroke. (Shhhh.....they don't pay the toll now so we're really not losing anything & may be gaining some lives.)

But what do I know? I'm old, ready to retire, sitting in my rocking chair, & wondering at this internet thingy!!

I know that there has to be a solution, but it may not be as easy as just taking all the trucks off Route #63.
You say they don't pay the toll now. Why are they exempt from payting tolls on the thruway?
Playing devil's advocate:
If they don't pay the toll, then why take 63? Mileage?
What is the difference in fuel consumption between taking Route 63 or continuing on the 90 to Henrietta, then heading south?
Since this is a state route, can the state actually ban the vehicles from using it? There are businesses on 63 that need to be serviced by 18 wheelers. Are we going to ask them to move their businesses closer to a thruway exit?
The use of resources already at hand may be the best solution. More police monitoring. Heavier fines, etc.

There are many interstates in the US that post a lower speed limit for trucks.

Trucks with legitimate business could still use it. I'm referring to the NYC to Ontario crowd. They know who they are.

Bud, I'm all for lowering the speed for trucks. I'm also in favor for seeing truck only lanes on the interstate...too bad they can't do that on state roads as well.
By the same token, the speed should be lowered for those pulling 5th wheelers and other bus size RVs. I've seen too many irresponsible drivers operating RVs that have more machine than they can handle.
I'm curious about the NYC to Ontario crowd. Are those concerns exempt from tolls? Don't they need stickers for the states in which they operate? Do they pay fuel tax to those states?
If they are exempt, then there is a valid complaint.

It is a shame that we cant modernize and expand a railway system(s). I understand when a semi is needed but long and regularly sheduled deliveries could be diverted from being constantly hauled thru rural areas.

Posted by Howard Owens on June 13, 2009 - 11:02am
Somehow this thread went on for some time without my noticing the ongoing discussion.

My apologies, Howard. You won't see me responding to the bait any longer.
thanks