"If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of “border protection,” we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities."
Ya know Bob and everyone, I had an incident last week related to this... I went into save a lot was asked to leave my backpack at registers. It is a mesh or net style backpack I used to use for diving, (cause it wont hold water). I pointed out that you could see through it, but they insisted it was "policy". I called the store and said I felt harassed as I was required to leave a backpack, but others in the store were allowed to keep their bags and purses. Was told the Store owner would call, he never did.
That was thurs. Now on Friday night I had to pick up a couple of things for our late night hot dog bbq. Again I had my backpack, again I was challenged. Sick of being singled out and treated like a thief I said no, I wouldn't leave it, I was then told to leave the store, I said no to that as well. She (the acting manager) said she would call the police. I said, do so then.... Got my stuff and she snidely remarked something to the effect that I was gonna run now. I sat and waited for police. I had not stolen anything and made the point of pointing out how transparent my bag was. Police agreed but said the store manager said I was to be charged w trespass if I went to the store again.
I was pissed so I went and looked up the Store owners phone #'s. I was very polite and explained everything. He agreed that the policy in in place but he thought that common sense would have been used in the policy's application. So Sat he met me at the store, I showed him the backpack and he agreed it was ridiculously transparent. The 'acting manager' apologized and the owner explained using some reasonable discretion to that manager. Also said that calling the police was highly inappropriate. I am allowed to continue to shop there. LOL
Now I realize why the policy is there and I don't have much to say about it normally, but both those days I was stopped while purses bigger than my backpack were allowed, including a backpack style purse, I felt discriminated against at the very least.
No applying this to the article topic, once you allow such a policy then the abuses and selective application begins. And one thing about giving a police agency power like this is once it's established its very very hard to remove it again. There may be good reasons for the need to keep such things but, peoples property rights and 4th amendment protections should supercede this. Otherwise the same thing that happened to me at a local grocer, could start happening at our borders and then probably traffic stops and so on.....
Thanks for sharing that Kyle. My man: fighting tyranny where you find it. Civil Disobedience is and always has been a good thing. Sometimes it turns out bad for the person doing it. I'm honestly not sure if i would have pushed it like you did. The owner and manager should be grateful to you. Most of us would have said "screw you" and never gone in there again.
Yeah well Doug the owner wasn't even aware of the situation til I called him. He was very apologetic. I was angry enough to go in on Sat and see if they would really arrest me and take it to the next level. I do know that now managers have to call the owner before getting police involved in situations. Unless an emergency as he was very shocked at the insanity of this. I am very impressed with the owner's handling of it to say the least.
Good on you Kyle, for standing up for your rights. You posing about it is a great way to set an example.
Not related much to your story which had an amicable ending due to your dealing with a private entity as opposed to a Governmental bureaucracy, but more closer related to border patrols as the subject of this thread, here's a great video of some folk also standing up for their rights at DHS checkpoints.
Can't wait for the next checkpoint I'm supposed to stop for. I will turn around and attempt to be on my way. I will refuse to cooperate, and politely let the law enforcement agency running the checkpoint know I have broken no laws
and would like to be on my way in accordance to my rights.
I will guarentee I will not be allowed to go on my way, and will probably be arrested for not cooperating.
I 'm hoping most misread the poll question, if not, maybe just 1 of the 113
would enlighten the rest of the world as to how they arrived at this answer.
Why would it be necessary,
Why would it be necessary, doesn't the NSA already do that without having to take possession of them? Typical government redundancy.
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"If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of “border protection,” we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities."
Nuff said.
Ya know Bob and everyone, I
Ya know Bob and everyone, I had an incident last week related to this... I went into save a lot was asked to leave my backpack at registers. It is a mesh or net style backpack I used to use for diving, (cause it wont hold water). I pointed out that you could see through it, but they insisted it was "policy". I called the store and said I felt harassed as I was required to leave a backpack, but others in the store were allowed to keep their bags and purses. Was told the Store owner would call, he never did.
That was thurs. Now on Friday night I had to pick up a couple of things for our late night hot dog bbq. Again I had my backpack, again I was challenged. Sick of being singled out and treated like a thief I said no, I wouldn't leave it, I was then told to leave the store, I said no to that as well. She (the acting manager) said she would call the police. I said, do so then.... Got my stuff and she snidely remarked something to the effect that I was gonna run now. I sat and waited for police. I had not stolen anything and made the point of pointing out how transparent my bag was. Police agreed but said the store manager said I was to be charged w trespass if I went to the store again.
I was pissed so I went and looked up the Store owners phone #'s. I was very polite and explained everything. He agreed that the policy in in place but he thought that common sense would have been used in the policy's application. So Sat he met me at the store, I showed him the backpack and he agreed it was ridiculously transparent. The 'acting manager' apologized and the owner explained using some reasonable discretion to that manager. Also said that calling the police was highly inappropriate. I am allowed to continue to shop there. LOL
Now I realize why the policy is there and I don't have much to say about it normally, but both those days I was stopped while purses bigger than my backpack were allowed, including a backpack style purse, I felt discriminated against at the very least.
No applying this to the article topic, once you allow such a policy then the abuses and selective application begins. And one thing about giving a police agency power like this is once it's established its very very hard to remove it again. There may be good reasons for the need to keep such things but, peoples property rights and 4th amendment protections should supercede this. Otherwise the same thing that happened to me at a local grocer, could start happening at our borders and then probably traffic stops and so on.....
Thanks for sharing that Kyle.
Thanks for sharing that Kyle. My man: fighting tyranny where you find it. Civil Disobedience is and always has been a good thing. Sometimes it turns out bad for the person doing it. I'm honestly not sure if i would have pushed it like you did. The owner and manager should be grateful to you. Most of us would have said "screw you" and never gone in there again.
Yeah well Doug the owner
Yeah well Doug the owner wasn't even aware of the situation til I called him. He was very apologetic. I was angry enough to go in on Sat and see if they would really arrest me and take it to the next level. I do know that now managers have to call the owner before getting police involved in situations. Unless an emergency as he was very shocked at the insanity of this. I am very impressed with the owner's handling of it to say the least.
Good on you Kyle, for
Good on you Kyle, for standing up for your rights. You posing about it is a great way to set an example.
Not related much to your story which had an amicable ending due to your dealing with a private entity as opposed to a Governmental bureaucracy, but more closer related to border patrols as the subject of this thread, here's a great video of some folk also standing up for their rights at DHS checkpoints.
[video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg]
Can't wait for the next
Can't wait for the next checkpoint I'm supposed to stop for. I will turn around and attempt to be on my way. I will refuse to cooperate, and politely let the law enforcement agency running the checkpoint know I have broken no laws
and would like to be on my way in accordance to my rights.
I will guarentee I will not be allowed to go on my way, and will probably be arrested for not cooperating.
I am truly appalled that
I am truly appalled that there are 113 happy blindfolded idiots as I type this. Thanks Bob for the youtube link!
I 'm hoping most misread the
I 'm hoping most misread the poll question, if not, maybe just 1 of the 113
would enlighten the rest of the world as to how they arrived at this answer.
I've learned from doing these
I've learned from doing these polls there is always some portion of the poll takers who would be quite happy with a dictatorship.
If I asked: Would you rather have elected leaders or dictators, at least 10 percent would pick dictator.
Howard, Why not try it and
Howard,
Why not try it and see?