its man made alright, man made purely for political purposes. The simple basic fact that the Earth's temperature has fluctuated up and down long before we have started recording temperatures. and when i say long, i dont mean a few hundred or thousand years. If the earths temperature really has risen some small amount, is it the 1st time in earths history it has happened?
The conspiracy (which has obviously hoodwinked the vast majority of world scientists into endorsing human-induced climate change) promoting 'Global Warming' was set in motion to advance the careers of so many politicians and alternative energy corporations- a real windfall for all of them! Tell me another one!
So just because the Earth's temperature fluctuated in the past without man contributing it means that it is IMPOSSIBLE that man is contributing to it happening now?
and let me get this straight also...all the evidence pointing to it being the case is just made up for political reasons but the flat out denial of blatant evidence isnt political?
Lets see, 14,000 years or so ago, where Batavia sits was under a mile thick sheet of ice as was almost all of Canada. It was called the Laurentide ice sheet and it Melted without any help from man. That's a whole lot of BTU's to melt a block of ice that large. That ice sheet was so heavy that the earth's crust is still rebounding now that the weight is gone.
14,000 years is a fraction of an eye blink in the age of the earth. Periods of Extremes have happened repeatedly on this planet and modern man has only been impacting the earth since the industrial revolution started cranking in the mid 1800's.
Are we having an impact on the climate? I think it can be demonstrated that we are, but I don't think that we can ultimately change which way the earth's climate would have gone if we weren't here.
Since I don't have the resources or education to gather enough data about global warming, or to interpret the ramifications of all the data, both for and against, i'm willing ,
to listen to someone who has both resources and education. Dr Isaac Asimov, an amazing polymath of the 20th century, concluded that global warming is a real crisis, and also that it's generated by the actions of man. I don't think that any of us laymen are really qualified to dispute his conclusion. I'm willing to trust his opinion until I see powerful evidence that he is mistaken! Even if it turns out that he is wrong, it cannot be disputed that our greedy and careless practices are damaging the Earth. Some difficult choices will have to be made, and soon. Let's not take chances with this beautiful planet we live on! I like it here ;-)
In any case, I remember back in the 1970's when the world was going to freeze over if we didn't embrace socialist policies and stop complaining about the excesses of the soviets in regard to killing and locking up inconvenient soviet citizens.
I also remember when the same group of ice age peddlers suddenly decided that the time was right to peddle beach front condos on the Nevada shore unless we embraced socialist policies and stop complaining about the excesses of our own government.
It seems to me that we have more than enough evidence of an inconvenient truth: Global warming, I mean anthropomorphic climate change, I mean Global cooling...
Hell, it is too hard to keep up with latest fashions of those pushing greater and greater government control of any and all aspects of the lives of their citizens.
Let us just agree to call it what it is: Watermelonism. Green on the outside, red on the inside...
Isaac Asimov was an American author and professor of biochemistry at Boston University. Sadly, he died in 1992
I’m not at all familiar with Isaac Asimov’s opinions on global warming. Perhaps 21 more years of data would change his opinion were he alive today.
Many of us have read his brilliant works of hard Science Fiction. His “Foundation Series”, Galactic Empire Series” and “Robot Series” are my favorites.
Richard I believe she was referencing Dr. Asimov's last non-fiction book called "Our Angry Earth ( published in 1991 I think ) Where he deals with the topics of global warming and erosion of the ozone layer.
Again to people like Leslie, I have to point out that we are part of the Earth's life cycles. Every dominant species that has every exsisted eventually dies out. We are part of the earth and everything we do is from materials that come from where? The earth. We dont endanger the earth in the slightest. What we do is endanger our own comfort and exsistance on the earth.
We could be here forever either with or without our nasty ways and habits. We could sacrifice and preserve everything and still have our exsistance wiped out by an asteroid impact or super volcanic eruption. Something we have no control over. I agree it's a responsible thing to do, to manage our place. But be real it doesn't endanger the earth.
If you doubt that fact, look to studies of Chernobyl.... The earth has taken back the towns and villages that were and have been abandoned by that nuclear disaster. The flora and fauna have recovered nicely. Much more quickly than Nuclear specialists ever theorized.
As I said I am willing to look at people's beliefs with a great deal of credulity. But most sensible people can distinguish a rational point of view from a blind follower who spouts their one sided opinions no matter what reasonable evidence to the contrary exsists.
Kyle, your point is negligent, overlooking the other species on this planet that suffer the consequences of our folly. I concede that 'life' has proven pervasive in its ability to recover from both human and natural calamities, but it should be evident that not all species recover; note the fossil record and evidence to the thousands of (known) species that have slipped into extinction. Most recently the black rhinoceros lost out.
The accumulation of toxins humans have added to the environment may never be fully known, because our most egregious polluters manage to evade documentation. It was recently reported that a cache of former-Soviet reactor material was dumped in a frozen lake. Our precious water supply, already evaporating at an increased level is at the same time being tainted (and depleted) by fracking operations. Tillable land is progressively becoming unfit for food-crop growing by loss of water resources, residential encroachment and dedication to non-food-crops. Our oceans are over-fished while critical coastal breeding areas are becoming polluted or reclaimed for real estate value.
Global drought, desertification and mismanagement of agricultural land is rapidly diminishing tillable land. Comfort is less an issue than surviving. If you think people resort to war for religious and economic causes- just wait to see what happens when people are motivated by empty stomachs.
We as residents of a temperate region are being spared the brunt of shrinking life-supporting resources. How long will it take for those in the southwest who are already experiencing water shortages and wildfires to recognize the Great Lakes as a water resource they should lay claim to? At what point do we reassess the careless manner in which we have treated our groundwater supplies tainted by chemical waste, spills and fracking chemicals.
The frightening scenarios relative to water pollution have been common knowledge for decades. One hopes that the wake-up-call occurs before the water wars begin.
Maybe the Earth will recover from our greed and ignorance. Will we be around to witness that? Do we really want to remain blase simply because extinction is bound to happen someday?
C M Barons, That is a significant load of End of the World, Man is Absolutely and Ultimately the Real Power in the World crap. It is hubristic bull.
Sorry, but we are nowhere near powerful enough to do any more than soil our own sheets, the Earth will endure long after we are but a memory. If we even rate that.
Keep listening to those who seem to always come back to "You have to give up on modernity for the betterment of mankind!" and you will end up in a hell you rightly deserve for being so gullible and so stubbornly ignorant of the real world.
All that is required is for you to actually study what is happening. Both sides, no dismissing the "ignorant" "redneck" "mindless" "teabaggers" who "refuse" to be "bipartisan" and "accepting" of the "consensus" of the "scientists" who dictate what you are allowed to "think", deserve your attention.
CM I have to agree with Kyle (that sounded weird) I point as an example of both mother nature and us coming together to completely turn around a body of water.
How many of us remember when Lake Erie looked like the waters of the Erie canal? Chocolate milk colored, with almost no fish in it. I remember it being called a dead lake at some point in my youth. As the Erie canal was, considered a carp fishery. But yet we look at them today, the canal has bass pike panfish and even a stray walleye or two. Lake Erie can get as gin clear as the Carribean and the populations of gamefish are incredible. Same in a lesser degree for Ontario and Michigan as well.
Zebra and quagga muscle invasion finished off where the clean water act started. Now there are diving sites and world class fishing in these lakes. I find it amazing hearing old divers tell of the wrecks in the St Lawrence and Lake Ontario and Erie that they dived in the 70's and saw mostly by touch or 6 inches at a time.
That all happened in one lifetime. You cant blindly listen to either side of this argument, but the people who claim to be championing the earth are disengenuous at best, they are preserving their own place on the earth. I'm sure when our time comes we will disappear because even we have limits to what we can do. The earth is constantly in flux and change. Just ask those near the coast of afghanistan where a new island was thrusted up from the sea floor.... So much for the old adage that people should invest in real estate as there isnt any more of it being made.
Here is some links to what I am talking about.....
Here is an example of the time capsule like shipwrecks in Erie....This one was actually built in a small northern NY town called 3 mile bay where I lived every summer as a boy.
You actually need a scientist to tell you that burning a billion years worth of carbon in a 100 years is a problem? There have been volcanic eruptions that have caused climate change as well. The politics of disputing common sense is making a fortune here. Yes, climate naturally changed over time. Yes we are speeding up the natural process. This isn't a political issue unless of course your a greedy corporate polluter.
http://www.edf.org/climate/ep
http://www.edf.org/climate/epa-greenhouse-gas-litigation
its man made alright, man
its man made alright, man made purely for political purposes. The simple basic fact that the Earth's temperature has fluctuated up and down long before we have started recording temperatures. and when i say long, i dont mean a few hundred or thousand years. If the earths temperature really has risen some small amount, is it the 1st time in earths history it has happened?
The conspiracy (which has
The conspiracy (which has obviously hoodwinked the vast majority of world scientists into endorsing human-induced climate change) promoting 'Global Warming' was set in motion to advance the careers of so many politicians and alternative energy corporations- a real windfall for all of them! Tell me another one!
Mr. Sruger, So just because
Mr. Sruger,
So just because the Earth's temperature fluctuated in the past without man contributing it means that it is IMPOSSIBLE that man is contributing to it happening now?
and let me get this straight also...all the evidence pointing to it being the case is just made up for political reasons but the flat out denial of blatant evidence isnt political?
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh give
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh give me a call about February 30th and Ill let you know how things are going:>)
Regardless of which side you
Regardless of which side you are on, the issue is rift in money and politics; passions on both sides run high.
Here are two interesting links:
http://www.petitionproject.org/
http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/
There is no significant climate change taking place except momentarily from political flatulence.
Lets see, 14,000 years or so
Lets see, 14,000 years or so ago, where Batavia sits was under a mile thick sheet of ice as was almost all of Canada. It was called the Laurentide ice sheet and it Melted without any help from man. That's a whole lot of BTU's to melt a block of ice that large. That ice sheet was so heavy that the earth's crust is still rebounding now that the weight is gone.
14,000 years is a fraction of an eye blink in the age of the earth. Periods of Extremes have happened repeatedly on this planet and modern man has only been impacting the earth since the industrial revolution started cranking in the mid 1800's.
Are we having an impact on the climate? I think it can be demonstrated that we are, but I don't think that we can ultimately change which way the earth's climate would have gone if we weren't here.
<img src="http://www.cosmographicresearch.org/Images/glacial_maximum_map2.jpg">
Since I don't have the
Since I don't have the resources or education to gather enough data about global warming, or to interpret the ramifications of all the data, both for and against, i'm willing ,
to listen to someone who has both resources and education. Dr Isaac Asimov, an amazing polymath of the 20th century, concluded that global warming is a real crisis, and also that it's generated by the actions of man. I don't think that any of us laymen are really qualified to dispute his conclusion. I'm willing to trust his opinion until I see powerful evidence that he is mistaken! Even if it turns out that he is wrong, it cannot be disputed that our greedy and careless practices are damaging the Earth. Some difficult choices will have to be made, and soon. Let's not take chances with this beautiful planet we live on! I like it here ;-)
A useful reference:
A useful reference: http://wattsupwiththat.com/
In any case, I remember back in the 1970's when the world was going to freeze over if we didn't embrace socialist policies and stop complaining about the excesses of the soviets in regard to killing and locking up inconvenient soviet citizens.
I also remember when the same group of ice age peddlers suddenly decided that the time was right to peddle beach front condos on the Nevada shore unless we embraced socialist policies and stop complaining about the excesses of our own government.
It seems to me that we have more than enough evidence of an inconvenient truth: Global warming, I mean anthropomorphic climate change, I mean Global cooling...
Hell, it is too hard to keep up with latest fashions of those pushing greater and greater government control of any and all aspects of the lives of their citizens.
Let us just agree to call it what it is: Watermelonism. Green on the outside, red on the inside...
Isaac Asimov was an American
Isaac Asimov was an American author and professor of biochemistry at Boston University. Sadly, he died in 1992
I’m not at all familiar with Isaac Asimov’s opinions on global warming. Perhaps 21 more years of data would change his opinion were he alive today.
Many of us have read his brilliant works of hard Science Fiction. His “Foundation Series”, Galactic Empire Series” and “Robot Series” are my favorites.
Richard I believe she was
Richard I believe she was referencing Dr. Asimov's last non-fiction book called "Our Angry Earth ( published in 1991 I think ) Where he deals with the topics of global warming and erosion of the ozone layer.
Again to people like Leslie, I have to point out that we are part of the Earth's life cycles. Every dominant species that has every exsisted eventually dies out. We are part of the earth and everything we do is from materials that come from where? The earth. We dont endanger the earth in the slightest. What we do is endanger our own comfort and exsistance on the earth.
We could be here forever either with or without our nasty ways and habits. We could sacrifice and preserve everything and still have our exsistance wiped out by an asteroid impact or super volcanic eruption. Something we have no control over. I agree it's a responsible thing to do, to manage our place. But be real it doesn't endanger the earth.
If you doubt that fact, look to studies of Chernobyl.... The earth has taken back the towns and villages that were and have been abandoned by that nuclear disaster. The flora and fauna have recovered nicely. Much more quickly than Nuclear specialists ever theorized.
As I said I am willing to look at people's beliefs with a great deal of credulity. But most sensible people can distinguish a rational point of view from a blind follower who spouts their one sided opinions no matter what reasonable evidence to the contrary exsists.
Kyle, your point is
Kyle, your point is negligent, overlooking the other species on this planet that suffer the consequences of our folly. I concede that 'life' has proven pervasive in its ability to recover from both human and natural calamities, but it should be evident that not all species recover; note the fossil record and evidence to the thousands of (known) species that have slipped into extinction. Most recently the black rhinoceros lost out.
The accumulation of toxins humans have added to the environment may never be fully known, because our most egregious polluters manage to evade documentation. It was recently reported that a cache of former-Soviet reactor material was dumped in a frozen lake. Our precious water supply, already evaporating at an increased level is at the same time being tainted (and depleted) by fracking operations. Tillable land is progressively becoming unfit for food-crop growing by loss of water resources, residential encroachment and dedication to non-food-crops. Our oceans are over-fished while critical coastal breeding areas are becoming polluted or reclaimed for real estate value.
Global drought, desertification and mismanagement of agricultural land is rapidly diminishing tillable land. Comfort is less an issue than surviving. If you think people resort to war for religious and economic causes- just wait to see what happens when people are motivated by empty stomachs.
We as residents of a temperate region are being spared the brunt of shrinking life-supporting resources. How long will it take for those in the southwest who are already experiencing water shortages and wildfires to recognize the Great Lakes as a water resource they should lay claim to? At what point do we reassess the careless manner in which we have treated our groundwater supplies tainted by chemical waste, spills and fracking chemicals.
The frightening scenarios relative to water pollution have been common knowledge for decades. One hopes that the wake-up-call occurs before the water wars begin.
Maybe the Earth will recover from our greed and ignorance. Will we be around to witness that? Do we really want to remain blase simply because extinction is bound to happen someday?
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17554963/ns/us_news-environment/t/climate-rep…
C M Barons, That is a
C M Barons, That is a significant load of End of the World, Man is Absolutely and Ultimately the Real Power in the World crap. It is hubristic bull.
Sorry, but we are nowhere near powerful enough to do any more than soil our own sheets, the Earth will endure long after we are but a memory. If we even rate that.
Keep listening to those who seem to always come back to "You have to give up on modernity for the betterment of mankind!" and you will end up in a hell you rightly deserve for being so gullible and so stubbornly ignorant of the real world.
All that is required is for you to actually study what is happening. Both sides, no dismissing the "ignorant" "redneck" "mindless" "teabaggers" who "refuse" to be "bipartisan" and "accepting" of the "consensus" of the "scientists" who dictate what you are allowed to "think", deserve your attention.
Try it.
CM I have to agree with Kyle
CM I have to agree with Kyle (that sounded weird) I point as an example of both mother nature and us coming together to completely turn around a body of water.
How many of us remember when Lake Erie looked like the waters of the Erie canal? Chocolate milk colored, with almost no fish in it. I remember it being called a dead lake at some point in my youth. As the Erie canal was, considered a carp fishery. But yet we look at them today, the canal has bass pike panfish and even a stray walleye or two. Lake Erie can get as gin clear as the Carribean and the populations of gamefish are incredible. Same in a lesser degree for Ontario and Michigan as well.
Zebra and quagga muscle invasion finished off where the clean water act started. Now there are diving sites and world class fishing in these lakes. I find it amazing hearing old divers tell of the wrecks in the St Lawrence and Lake Ontario and Erie that they dived in the 70's and saw mostly by touch or 6 inches at a time.
That all happened in one lifetime. You cant blindly listen to either side of this argument, but the people who claim to be championing the earth are disengenuous at best, they are preserving their own place on the earth. I'm sure when our time comes we will disappear because even we have limits to what we can do. The earth is constantly in flux and change. Just ask those near the coast of afghanistan where a new island was thrusted up from the sea floor.... So much for the old adage that people should invest in real estate as there isnt any more of it being made.
Here is some links to what I am talking about.....
Here is an example of the time capsule like shipwrecks in Erie....This one was actually built in a small northern NY town called 3 mile bay where I lived every summer as a boy.
http://www.osprey-dive.com/shipwreck_detail.cfm?diveID=20
And here is a recent article on the new island formed from the recent afghanistan earthquake....
oops sorry this was pakistan not afghanistan...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/24/us-pakistan-quake-idUSBRE98N0…
You actually need a scientist
You actually need a scientist to tell you that burning a billion years worth of carbon in a 100 years is a problem? There have been volcanic eruptions that have caused climate change as well. The politics of disputing common sense is making a fortune here. Yes, climate naturally changed over time. Yes we are speeding up the natural process. This isn't a political issue unless of course your a greedy corporate polluter.
Charlie, I respectfully
Charlie,
I respectfully suggest you research the gross output of carbon in an an average volcano and by the fissures the sea floor every single year...